Plans to close 15 out of Surrey's 22 police stations

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Plans to close 15 out of Surrey's 22 police stations

Post by falkor » Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:26 am

Nick Herbert is visiting Woking today - and says the proposals will benefit residents.
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Surrey Police claims many of the front desks are only used by one person a day and substantial savings would be made by closing them.

That money would pay for an extra 200 officers.

Mr Herbet says "we need to make sure taxpayers get value for money for the many billions of pounds that goes into policing and I welcome the efforts of Surrey Police to find savings, cut beaurcracy and get police officers where the public want to see them."

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Re: Plans to close 15 out of Surrey's 22 police stations

Post by OldWilliam » Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:42 pm

Update

As a consequence of the spending cuts, every single one of Surrey's police stations is to close. Members of the public will, under the new arrangements, be able to talk to officers at accommodation in other buildings, including local authority offices and commercial premises such as supermarkets.

It's a disaster... talk about selling off the family silver.

And it isn't true about the "200 extra officers"... Surrey has been more than 200 officers under establishment for many years, the force just chose to keep saving money by not filling the vacant posts. So the money "saved" by selling off the police stations will only go to recruiting the long-term shortfall.

It's also believed that this will be unlawful in the case of Camberley Police Station, as the land was handed over to the police authority using a restrictive covenant that required it to be used only for the purpose of providing the police station. It's believed to be worth nothing commercially because the new owner will be unable to build anything but a new police station on it!

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Re: Plans to close 15 out of Surrey's 22 police stations

Post by falkor » Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:55 am

OldWilliam WELCOME to the site

you seem pretty uptight about the Chief Constable's plans
Our national police force is fundamentally flawed. The proposed cuts will simply compound the problem. Call it what you will but by the time the dust has settled, policing in this country will be barely recognisable. If you doubt it come to Surrey.

It is one of the wealthiest counties in the Kingdom. And as crime follows wealth it is now one of the most vulnerable. London based criminal gangs use the M25 and A3 trunk roads for easy entry and rapid escape and escape they mostly do. Our police force has one of the lowest detection rates in the country making a mockery of its motto “Making Surrey Safer. But according to our Chief Constable Mark Rowley, things are going to get worse.

His force is under the hammer. 20% of its budget is being cut across the board. But it is already broke, its finances so out of control that its projected debt could be well in excess of £25million. So he has decided on a brutal and irreversible way to balance the books. He is selling off police real estate, closing all the county’s local stations and selling them off to developers. The sale of just four buildings in Haslemere, Godalming, Farnham and Cranleigh alone, all prime sites, could fetch a combined total of over £10 million. And there are another twenty six stations up for grabs.
projected debt could be well in excess of £25million

20% of its budget is being cut across the board

.............. so OldWilliam ....what would you do then? the predicament the C.C is in seems pretty DIRE TBH :oops:

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Re: Plans to close 15 out of Surrey's 22 police stations

Post by OldWilliam » Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:14 pm

falkor wrote:projected debt could be well in excess of £25million

20% of its budget is being cut across the board

.............. so OldWilliam ....what would you do then? the predicament the C.C is in seems pretty DIRE TBH :oops:
Well, the force spends more of its annual budget on its HR and Finance support functions (£31.6m per annum) than it does on Neighbourhood Policing (£28.4m per annum), and even then, the latter figure has just increased by nearly 20% (£4.5m) to make a political point - an "increase of 200 police officers". But as already stated, they have done without those 200 police officers for many years by keeping the establishment 200 officers short to balance the books - and now they are claiming this as an increase, but at the cost of all the police stations??

By the way, there was no public consultation over the sale of all the police stations - a few hundred people were surveyed about the "closure of public counters", and the published methodology is clearly flawed as a consultation process.

And the force still intends to keep 222 Community Support Officers, costing the force over £1.1m annually - the other £4.4m comes from the Government, but how these civilians can be financed when the central 75% grant dries up is something no-one wants to talk about. The CSOs are part of the "big con" - Surrey has more civilian staff than police officers, and there isn't a square inch of the Mount Browne HQ complex that isn't packed full (Monday to Friday office hours, that is...) with the parked cars belonging to the support staff.

And nearly half a million pounds per year is spent solely on "diversity"! Getting rid of the civilian office jockeys would go a long way to mitigating the cuts...

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Re: Plans to close 15 out of Surrey's 22 police stations

Post by falkor » Sun Apr 24, 2011 7:13 pm

strange that when the POLICING MINISTER Mr Nick Herbert (about as high up as you can go) visited Woking Police Station last June he did not seem concerned with any of what you raise

instead he announced "we need to make sure taxpayers get value for money for the many billions of pounds that goes into policing and I welcome the efforts of Surrey Police to find savings, cut beaurcracy and get police officers where the public want to see them."

he seemed highly DELIGHTED with what Surrey Police proposed to do i.e (in your words) close every single one of Surrey's police stations

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Re: Plans to close 15 out of Surrey's 22 police stations

Post by OldWilliam » Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:06 pm

falkor wrote:strange that when the POLICING MINISTER Mr Nick Herbert (about as high up as you can go) visited Woking Police Station last June he did not seem concerned with any of what you raise
He wouldn't have been told. You don't get to be a Chief Constable by saying the wrong thing at the wrong time. Like I said, there has been no public consultation... the public were asked about closing public counters, now they have "agreed" (by not saying "no") to the sale of all the police stations. It's standard procedure by politicians, it's just that politicians get away with it more easily than chief constables.

Read the "puff" here: http://surrey.police.uk/surrey_public_first/.

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Re: Plans to close 15 out of Surrey's 22 police stations

Post by falkor » Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:39 pm

it is very sad to see all these police stations closing :(

end of an era :cry:

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